Little dilemma...

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:34 am

I don't know if it's legit or not, but it seems to me like if you are receiving threats to stay away from a certain person (especially a woman), that might be a clue to indicate he's abusive. While I don't know how it works, I'd probably call her local police to report a suspected threat to her.

Sir Neil · Post by **Sir Neil** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:10 am

1. From one Texas county to another Texas county? State law.
2. Do you consider $500 and 90 days in jail serious trouble? That's what it could get you in Alabama. I don't know about Texas law, however.
3. Not to me. On misdemeanors in my state, I'd just make the report. It's up to the victim to convince the magistrate there was probable cause to issue a warrant for the suspect's arrest. (BTW, it helps if you know the suspect's full name and birthday before you go to the police.)

4. YES! You should exhaust your nonviolent solutions first, 'cause you can always find time to beat someone like a dusty old rug later.

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:11 am

Yes, violence is always the last option.

It costs you the most in the long run.

Even having all of his social group ostrasize him for threatening someone is superior to phsyically attacking him.

The Art of War is such a good book. Really, it's all about pacifism, not war. War is the last option. Always.

Sir Neil · Post by **Sir Neil** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:55 am

Maj wrote:I don't know if it's legit or not, but it seems to me like if you are receiving threats to stay away from a certain person (especially a woman), that might be a clue to indicate he's abusive.

Good point. He could bring it up to his female friend, but depending on the nature of the relationships involved, it may fall on deaf ears.

While I don't know how it works, I'd probably call her local police to report a suspected threat to her.

. . . being proactive really isn't our forte. Constitutional rights, free country and all that, I'm sure you understand. [Damn, that is an ugly smilie. I'll have to *wink* instead.] IMPO, ubernoob would have more success as the victim of harassing communications than he would reporting the potential for a crime against someone else -- especially when they're capable of reporting the crime themselves.

Count Arioch the 28th · Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:02 am

Oh, and telling the police that they better find the guy before you do never works in a way that's beneficial for you personally. Trust me on that.

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:39 pm

Count,

You never admit to wanting to commit a crime.

You can confess afterwards, but never say anything beforehand. For all you know, you could get second thoughts and not go through with what you wanted to do.

With care,

-JE

Tshern · Post by **Tshern** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:19 pm

Sir_Neil wrote:2. Do you consider $500 and 90 days in jail serious trouble? That's what it could get you in Alabama. I don't know about Texas law, however..

Scary laws you people have. Here you would be told not to do it again and sent back home. Perhaps there's a cultural reason hidden there somewhere.

As an answer to ubernoob's post: In my experience utterly ignoring threats can make insecure people feel small in their pants. Depending on what sort of a pest are you dealing with you might want to try that.

ckafrica · Post by **ckafrica** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:53 pm

Remember he is in the land where any insecure fucker can get a gun within 7 days, if he doesn't have 10 already, and cap your ass. They do it regularly for a pair of sneakers or because someone called them a name. Scary people they have over there.

All I can say is I'm glad I live in a peaceful and safe country like Vietnam where the only people I have to be scared of is other westerners..

Sir Neil · Post by **Sir Neil** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:39 pm

That is the maximum punishment for that class of crime, Tshern; it is more likely that he could plea bargain down to a fine and probation.

7 days? What the fvck?! My wife (as a non-military, non-cop citizen) could go to the store right frickin' now and come home an hour later with as many guns as our Visa card could support. Goddamn seven days.

ubernoob · Post by **ubernoob** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:49 pm

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:48 pm

Look for the translation by Griffith, he's ex-military and tries to look for the non-poetry BS that many translators do and writes the useful stuff instead.

In all honesty, I find that when I act like this when playing wargames and competitions, I try to go and achieve the victory conditions, not drive myself at my enemy and hope to overwhelm them.

Linkity

I don't know if that will work, but it's the version that I've nearly destroyed for more than a decade. That's pretty interesting, I've owned books longer than I've known some of the people in my life.

ubernoob · Post by **ubernoob** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:13 pm

Tshern · Post by **Tshern** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:52 am

Sir_Neil wrote:That is the maximum punishment for that class of crime, Tshern; it is more likely that he could plea bargain down to a fine and probation.

Well, this sounds more reasonable to me. I thought it was a standard procedure or something.

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:59 am

Wait... James Clavell... yeah, that could be a problem, b/c Clavell's got a real hard-on for using an other languages grammatical style, while writing in english.

Read any of this "Asia" series and you'll understand what I'm talking about. He's a good author of fiction, but he's uh, probably not a good person to translate a book that deals with warfare. He'll focus on the beauty of phrase than the practicality of the the content.

ubernoob · Post by **ubernoob** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:20 am

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:16 am

Yeah, I checked and made sure that I have read all of of the books from "The Asian Saga": Shogun, Tai-Pan, Gaijin, King Rat, Noble House and Whirlwind (in chronological order of when the events occur, Gaijin was written last, but the events occur after Tai-Pan, but much before King Rat).

ckafrica · Post by **ckafrica** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:54 am

Sir_Neil wrote: 7 days? What the fvck?! My wife (as a non-military, non-cop citizen) could go to the store right frickin' now and come home an hour later with as many guns as our Visa card could support. Goddamn seven days.

I thought there was a waiting period for handguns. Even easier access to guns only confirms my assertion, doesn't matter if he can fight or not, Mr. Colt made all men equal.

Uber: Is the girl a minor? because if she is and the family doesn't like you, than continuing to attempt to contact her might get yourself into legal difficulties. You don't really want a restraining order on your record either.

I think a more insightful question is whether this chick is really worth any sort of headache let alone altercation.

AS far as Clavell is concerned. Shogun and Taipan were pretty good but Gaijin and Whirlwind were fairly blah. Especially Gaijin

Neeeek · Post by **Neeeek** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:42 pm

ubernoob wrote: 1) Since the texts pretty much had to come from one Texas County to another is it State law or Federal law which has jurisdiction.

Barring more info, state law. Not that it matters, because any lawyer you talk to about it will handle that sort of thing for you. And your first step in these cases should always be talking to a lawyer.

2) Are threats of violence via text message enough to actually get someone in serious trouble in and of themselves under whichever court presides? Simply making him deal with legal troubles would be enough to send the message IMO. The guy isn't a huge threat to me, but he is screwing around with a friend of mine's head so I'd like him to back off.

It depends on the threats. Threats can get you thrown in jail for years. Or a utterly pointless fine. It depends on the circumstances and the judge.

3) If they never actually identify themselves, but the number is theirs and they left two pieces of evidence (Girlfriend's name and a pun off their last name) that basically eliminate someone else using their cell does that matter?

If you are trying to get a restraining order, or trying to sue him, your burden of proof is simply a preponderance of the evidence, which is to say that it is more likely that what you are saying is true than it is that it is false. So that should qualify.

But seriously, talk to a lawyer.

ubernoob · Post by **ubernoob** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:32 pm

Count Arioch the 28th · Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:33 pm

I think the solution is to steal his phone, take a picture of your junk, then get it back to him without him even noticing it's gone.

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:14 pm

ckafrica wrote:
I think a more insightful question is whether this chick is really worth any sort of headache let alone altercation.

Some people are worth the effort. The trick is knowing which ones are.

...more off-thread stuff in the other thread.

ubernoob · Post by **ubernoob** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:28 pm

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:31 pm

Seriously, I'd talk to the girl herself about this.

Snide comments and lies behind your back are one thing to let slide, actual threats on your person should be shared with someone whom you have a vested interest in communicating with.

ubernoob · Post by **ubernoob** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:49 pm

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